tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post8649592115437129759..comments2023-04-17T09:38:19.704-05:00Comments on North by Northside: Northside Food Market Closed for "Construction"Jeff Skreneshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-60966879208655215802011-06-14T23:22:17.821-05:002011-06-14T23:22:17.821-05:00I hate to burst your bubble, but just because a bu...I hate to burst your bubble, but just because a building is condemned doesn't mean it can't reopen after the appropriate violations have been abated. The business may be closed now because of this condemnation order, but by following your own links in the article a building just has to fix those deficiencies in order to be granted occupancy again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-4531486922344420102011-06-04T13:11:57.837-05:002011-06-04T13:11:57.837-05:00@Folwell Fox, thanks for having my back there, alb...@Folwell Fox, thanks for having my back there, albeit in your own...idiom.<br /><br />@anonymous, I had several McKinley residents ask if I would blog about this particular store being shut down. I don't think being the "Hawkman" gives me special privileges, but I do think we fundamentally disagree on this issue - if in fact it is an issue to anyone at all.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-78589664635626869592011-06-04T10:22:28.000-05:002011-06-04T10:22:28.000-05:00Hawkman, I think you are the one taking it to the ...Hawkman, I think you are the one taking it to the extreme. The Adopt a vacant house states: "City leaders are encouraging neighbors and block clubs to work together by “adopting” a vacant property on the block." That says <b>"on the block".</b> They want neighbors to keep an on the houses next door on their own block.<br />No where does it say they want people to patrol neighborhoods and act like building inspectors. <br />During the tornado disaster the city was very specific to tell volunteers to only work in approved areas, that was because they did not want people getting injured by going upon unsafe structures or in unsafe areas.<br />The condemnation ordinance is similar. Stay off and out of condemned buildings for safety.<br /><br />It appears to me that you are going to twist the wording of an ordinance to meet your specific needs or desires. And you seem to believe that because you are the "Hawkman" you have some special privileges. <br />So my suggestion, to solve the conundrum, is to do what the city asks. Pick one house on your block, adopt it, and check on it regularly.<br />Let other neighborhoods and blocks handle their own business. Don't you have enough to do in Hawthorne?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-43244383849156794032011-06-03T23:56:27.880-05:002011-06-03T23:56:27.880-05:00I would also add for "Anonymous". What t...I would also add for "Anonymous". What the fuck are you going to about it? You might have a valid reaction once "Castle Doctrine" laws are instituted in MN. But until then, shut the fuck up and be glad we're not on your doorstep.Folwell Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14095306726028993319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-2159650239450470582011-06-03T16:01:51.338-05:002011-06-03T16:01:51.338-05:00Anonymous, you miss the point of the post. This h...Anonymous, you miss the point of the post. This hell-hole, dump of a store closed, causing hard working, tax-paying McKinley residents, like myself, tp rejoice. I could care less about trespassing. These fools have broken the law over and over again and allowed illegal activity on their property for years. And they are finally closed after we kept on bitching. This is progress in this area and I am glad it is getting reported. Other slums like this need to be shut down and this type of reporting goes a long way to help that.McKinley Residentnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-61671715708227546452011-06-03T15:15:05.010-05:002011-06-03T15:15:05.010-05:00Well we have ourselves a bit of a conundrum, don&#...Well we have ourselves a bit of a conundrum, don't we, anonymous? How would we reconcile that ordinance with the three-year-old call by the city to <a href="http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/news/20080222AdoptAVacantHome.asp" rel="nofollow">adopt a vacant property?</a><br /><br />Now John Hoff took that mandate a bit too far in my opinion. However two specific points are made by the city itself in regards to what adopting vacant properties entails:<br /><br />"# Report a property that is open to trespass (including one that has not yet been boarded), or if you observe anything on the property that could be a health or safety issue by calling 311.<br /># Check on a vacant property occasionally to ensure doors and windows are closed and that the building is not open to trespass."<br /><br />There really isn't a way to check windows or doors to see if a property is open to trespass without setting foot on it somewhere. Furthermore, one purpose a notice posted on site serves is that it publicly informs passersby of the property's condition. Walking up to that notice and reading the information it provides is a reasonable purpose for being on the property.<br /><br />If we take your interpretation to the extreme you're suggesting, then every phone book, newspaper, or flier left at a vacant property would be construed as trespassing. That's not so bad. But the kids walking home from school who cut across a vacant lot? Trespassing, all of them. The volunteers going door-to-door checking up on tornado victims better stay away from a house that looks like it might be vacant, seeing as how they "may NEVER be upon or in an abandoned, boarded, or condemned property." If they walk up to the place only to see it's condemned, too late, that's trespassing.<br /><br />Do you have any suggestions, anonymous, for how one might monitor whether a property has been broken open without violating your interpretation of the trespassing ordinance? If not, then let's talk about why it took so long to get the Northside Food Market shut down. Let's examine whether the healthy corner store initiative actually accomplished anything. Those are the interesting elements of this blog post and the conversation has been derailed from that for long enough.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-91253412851346785612011-06-03T14:07:23.079-05:002011-06-03T14:07:23.079-05:00OK Here is the city ordinance (see #3) that clearl...OK Here is the city ordinance (see #3) that clearly states that no person shall trespass <b>upon</b> a condemned property. CLEARLY YOU WERE IN VIOLATION OF THIS ORDINANCE. But I'm sure you will never admit a mistake, and will have some smart retort.<br />And I did call the city and get verification that "upon" means being anywhere physically on the building such as the porch or stairway because they may be unsafe and included in the condemnation orders.<br /><br />385.380. - Trespassing upon the land or property of another.<br /><br />(a) Definitions. For purposes of this section:<br />(1)<br /><b>Agent shall have the following meaning: a person authorized</b> by another to act for him or her. The act of posting a no trespassing sign shall constitute authorization for a licensed peace officer to act as an agent for the lawful possessor of the land or property unless the lawful possessor affirmatively indicates otherwise on the face of the sign. "Agent" shall include, but not be limited to, a security officer hired to secure the land or property or a licensed peace officer.<br />(2)<br />Lawful possessor shall have the following meaning: a land owner, a property owner, or a tenant of the land or property.<br />(3)<br />Property shall have the following meaning: a building or other property, whether real or personal, private or public.<br />(b)<br />Prohibitions.<br />(1)<br />No person shall intentionally enter or remain upon or within the land or property of another and, without claim of right, refuse to depart therefrom on demand of a lawful possessor thereof or his or her agent. A demand to depart may be made orally, or in writing, by the lawful possessor or the possessor's agent. No person who has received an oral or written demand to depart pursuant to this subsection shall reenter a lawful possessor's land or property without the written permission of a lawful possessor or the agent providing said demand for a period of up to one (1) year from the date of the oral or written demand, as provided therein.<br />(2)<br />No person shall intentionally enter or remain upon or within the land or property of another without permission from a lawful possessor thereof or his or her agent when such land or property includes signs conspicuously posted at reasonable intervals which prohibit trespass or trespass during certain hours on the affected land or property.<br />(3)<br />No person shall enter or remain <b>upon</b> or within the locked or posted property of another, or <b>condemned</b> or boarded or abandoned property, without claim of right or consent of a lawful possessor or his or her agent. (79-Or-192, § 1, 9-28-79; 88-Or-164, 9-2-88; 91-Or-205, § 1, 10-25-91; 2005-Or-134, § 1, 12-2-05; 2006-Or-026, § 1, 3-31-06)<br /><br /><br />So unless you have permission you may NEVER be upon or in a abandoned, boarded, or condemned property, even if it is unsecured.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-78487917264005388612011-06-02T12:43:39.224-05:002011-06-02T12:43:39.224-05:00Here we go again with the trespassing BS. Care to...Here we go again with the trespassing BS. Care to point out where in the <a href="https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/?id=609.605" rel="nofollow">state trespassing statute</a> it says that I trespassed? Or what about the <a href="http://www.ci.minneapolis.mn.us/police/crime-reporting/loitering.asp" rel="nofollow">city ordinances around trespassing, loitering, or lurking?</a> <br /><br />Any other such comment that fails to reference a specific law, statute, or ordinance won't be worth publishing.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-82504977131700124802011-06-02T11:59:52.513-05:002011-06-02T11:59:52.513-05:00Ah yes, the Strib article. Expect a post on that ...Ah yes, the Strib article. Expect a post on that in the near future. And changes to my original post have been made to include the names of the owners of this establishment.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-75316469626843376342011-06-02T11:21:05.850-05:002011-06-02T11:21:05.850-05:00Opps. Looks like Hawkman is trespassing again. Cle...Opps. Looks like Hawkman is trespassing again. Clearly being on property he has no business being upon. You had permission to be up on the stairway??Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-86385366808527408432011-06-02T01:48:25.899-05:002011-06-02T01:48:25.899-05:00It's going to be a pleasure to see more of the...It's going to be a pleasure to see more of these placards going up around town. Like Mahmood said in the Strib. "The city wants Edina, but it just won't happen in this part of the world." What part of the world are you from Mahmood? Every part of the 1st. and 2nd. world that I've been to certainly doesn't have dregs like you in its inner city core (other than the good 'ol US of A)... I have even seen some 3rd. world properties that are better up-kept than yours. It's my opinion that YOU, and your ilk are the reason why we're not "Edina". Mahmood, take your pittance for your POS properties and get the fuck out.Folwell Foxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14095306726028993319noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2382985764534737174.post-72857256210818283632011-06-02T00:26:13.993-05:002011-06-02T00:26:13.993-05:00Two post-script notes: the news about this store&...Two post-script notes: the news about this store's demise first broke on the Johnny Northside blog, in the comment section of the first post I wrote about the problem. (Although the McKinley residents had been working tirelessly for much longer).<br /><br />Second, while proofreading and editing, I wanted to go back and add the name of the owner of the property/business to the article so that the googlebots would pick up on that info. The city's website is acting up again and I can't access that info for the time being. It should be added later.Jeff Skreneshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14597476540441866248noreply@blogger.com